The Context: My First Impressions
Tami Simon is the CEO of Sounds True, a Colorado-based multimedia publishing company dedicated to disseminating spiritual wisdom. She is also a person I have met once personally and believe firmly to be of enormous integrity and outstanding character. It is precisely because of her impeccable reputation that when she speaks out against a spiritual teacher, people listen.
On or before September 21, 2011, she gave a statement to Bill Harryman’s Integral Options Café (IOC) blog, the full text of which is in Appendix A of this post. Her remarks seemed straightforward and clear at first blush: After Dr. Marc Gafni, a spiritual teacher and author, lost her trust for a variety of reasons, she cancelled the publication of his forthcoming book and ended her association with him.
The ripples from her remarks to IOC soon took on a life of their own: hundreds of incendiary blog posts and comments were lit, subsequently exploding into a major blogosphere-manufactured apparent “sex scandal” that has enormously damaged Marc Gafni’s reputation in the Integral world. Soon Integral Life, one of Marc’s most high-profile partnerships, distanced itself from him.
Until the past several days, I had never interacted with Marc and knew him only via the Integral Spiritual Experience event last January (where I also met Tami). I am an author and acting now as an independent journalist (a.k.a. blogger) interested in helping to shed light on this significant development, not taking sides in a “Blog War.”
Marc has told me his side of the story, including information which has not yet been made public and other information that he is willing to say on the record. His narrative confirmed some facts that I had surmised independently or learned from others, and the totality of my findings (so far) has raised many important questions. It has also led me to the suspicion that the prevailing narrative of the controversy in the blogosphere may very well have strayed from the truth in important ways.
These are my first impressions of Marc, for what they’re worth.
I experience spending time with Marc as a co-creation of a generative and vibrant energy radiant with warmth and sorrow and fierce love. Tentatively (owing to the brevity of our relationship), I share Ken Wilber and Sally Kempton’s estimation of Marc’s remarkable gifts, including his charisma, brilliance, goodness, insight, warmth, empathy, generosity, and a devotion to love others and serve the world. I have never met another man quite like him.
Marc’s parents survived the Holocaust, with his mother still living and his father passing away only two weeks ago. It’s a long story, but let’s just say that in Marc’s spiritual autobiography, he has experienced terrible betrayals from people that he loved most and gave his heart to, and yet he continues to hold it open, reaching towards infinity. As a result, genuine divine Eros emerges in his presence in a way that is rare in the world … but such golden light is not without its shadow.
To be brutally honest, as I interviewed him and conducted research for this blog post, Marc selectively revealed information to me that made it more difficult for me to get to really see him for who he is, warts and all. He previewed an advance draft of this blog post and counseled me repeatedly and adamantly against publishing it, expressing a level of fear bordering on panic, convinced that it would cause his old enemies from Israel to emerge on a new vendetta to hunt him down and destroy him. He showed an excessive concern with managing what people thought of him, and he showed me his mighty force of personality with all his strong opinions on the right course of action and a persistent willingness to converse at length in an effort to persuade me to his point of view.
I have weighed these impressions into what I have to say, and I have no doubt that these tendencies of his have over the years led others to the conclusion that he is manipulative, secretive, untrustworthy, controlling, and even coercive. I personally never felt at all manipulated, controlled, or coerced. Not a single time. However, I don’t judge someone who may have felt otherwise in similar experiences with him.
Once Marc gave me a clumsy editorial suggestion for changing the verbage of this post in a way that could have created the impression that he was asking me to lie for him. To be perfectly clear, he never asked me to lie for him and I would not have. I was not taken aback. Instead, I thought it flattering that he trusted me so much to recognize his editorial suggestion for what it really was: a spontaneous expression of flowing co-generativity emerging from a causal field holding our presence, enacted through our excited exchange, and one which got lost for a moment in its eagerness to spin a greater truth at the expense of a smaller detail. I said something like, “Come on, Marc! We can’t get ahead of the story!” and that was that.
I trust Marc Gafni. I trust him with heart and soul. I am relaxed and comfortable with him. A week ago, when I knew much in the rumor mill about Marc but had never spoken to him personally, I would not have expected in a million years that I would be saying such a thing. But in our hours of discussions recently I have come to see a magnificent source of light and love that the world is fortunate to have in its midst.
At the same time, I have spoken to a woman involved in the present controversy who has a different take on Marc and I totally appreciate why she and plenty of others might have come to a different feeling. You see, I get the sense that Marc’s most worrisome baggage may be a reluctance to let people see him for who he truly is and to trust full-heartedly that he does not need to resort to distortions and evasions in those moments when he is most vulnerable and frightened of the condemnation of others.
Marc’s sexual/affectional orientation is essentially polyamorous. (Polyamory is for him, as for many other polyamorists, not merely a lifestyle choice but an involuntary condition of his constitution.) Marc’s polyamory isn’t a secret, but at a deeper level of psychic integration I am convinced that Marc is still living in a closet, clothed in layers of denial that he loves differently than most other people in the world and the hard reality is that there are many people who will never fully accept him for that.
I so much wish he would just say once and for all, “I swear never to hold another intimate relationship in secrecy, and never again encourage another person to keep secrets. And I will be fully and proudly who I am, love who I choose, however many partners I choose, whenever I choose, however I choose, and I will explore responsible post-conventional sexual/amorous relationships without regard to what my community or the world at large thinks. And I will strive to be my first and most powerful source of accountability.”
That would be music to my ears. But it would be no magic wand that would wave away the knottiest complexities of human sexuality and human ethics. As a woman affected by the “sex scandal” recently reminded me, so often what is most sacred is what it is because it is also private. Like moth orchids, some ecstasies perish in too much sunlight. All ethical dilemmas within spiritual communities are not going to be solved by requiring everyone to set their Facebook privacy settings to zero and relationship status to “It’s Complicated.”
Following Tami Simon’s statements to IOC, many hundreds of blog comments and articles have been written about Marc Gafni in recent weeks without an adequate context that only by bringing a fuller picture into public view can any semblance of a more adequate story be seen. Some of these revelations may be painful and uncomfortable. But it would be a grave public disservice to walk away from this public discussion now while a dark cloud hovers over Marc’s reputation (not to mention the impact to Ken Wilber, Integral Life, and other organizations and communities that align themselves with him or did until Tami Simon’s letter appeared).
On September 30, Tami Simon declined a request for an interview with me. Robb Smith, CEO of Integral Life, initially agreed to speak with me, but we did not speak before this post went to press and he did not respond to an interview request on October 2 [corrected]. I have spoken with the two women who were mentioned in Tami’s remarks to IOC. I have, as I said, spoken to Marc. I have also spoken or corresponded with a few other people with first-hand knowledge of the events.
After a difficult deliberation, I have decided to omit certain facts about the station of one of the women in order to respect her confidentiality, even though I continue to believe that the facts about her station are deeply pertinent to making sense of what really went down. I am sorry to disappoint those of you wanting to know her story, but I will not be telling it on her behalf.
Tami, Marc, and a few others were provided with an advance draft of this blog post and given the opportunity to comment. Please consider carefully the partiality of the facts and perspectives you are about to read. This blog post contains more questions than answers, and such answers as are to be found are incomplete. It is a summation of my first impressions, not the last word.
An Open Letter to Tami Simon, CEO of Sounds True
Dear Tami Simon,
Will you please help me get to the truth about the controversy resulting from your remarks about Dr. Marc Gafni that were recently published on Bill Harrymann’s Integral Options Café blog?
I honestly don’t know what to think about much of what I’ve read. I don’t want to take anyone’s side, yours, Marc’s, his accusers, his defenders, anyone’s. But this controversy is painful and injurious to the spiritual community and organizations that are important to me, and I want to figure out what’s going on.
I will not at this time go into the allegations of improper relations against Marc from Israel; however it is worth mentioning that his checkered biography makes Marc an especially vulnerable target for attacks on his character or conduct. Your remarks about Marc barely go into this territory and these allegations have been discussed in great detail by others and abundant information on them is already widely available online. Accordingly, I’ll bracket a discussion of this important part of the context for the moment.
Knowing the truth does require knowing the context. In my experience — and this is a huge teaching of the Integral philosophy — the more inclusive and comprehensive the context in which something is known, it’s generally for the better. If context is missing from a truth claim or moral judgment, it makes it impossible to assess. Sometimes something that sounds true upon first notice looks false from another, more expansive perspective.
Not everyone agrees with Marc’s teachings on sexual ethics, and nobody claims that he has exercised perfect judgment in his recent behavior. In fact, upon hearing a first-hand account by one of these women, I found myself disheartened at the relationship’s messiness. She relayed to me additional anecdotes gleaned from numerous conversations she had with other women who had been hurt in relationships with Marc, and I grew even sadder. (I also spoke to a woman with an extraordinarily nuanced and complex relationship to Eros, one who cherishes Marc for his vulnerability and honesty, and who is positively grossed out when people leer at public figures “caught having sex,” not by anything Marc has done or said.)
He has deeply apologized in person to the woman who was hurt (the one who was not a student), and I have not heard him speak ill of you or that woman in any way. He feels devastated about the recent events, but his concern is infinitely more about risks to the teaching of an Integral Enlightenment of Fullness than about his own emotional travails, strained friendships, or financial losses.
Let me get right down to it, Tami. I have learned that your statement selectively revealed damaging details about Marc’s personal life while omitting other details which show a man with a long public record of clear and subtle statements about sexual ethics who has, from what I’ve seen, lived in complete integrity with his public teachings. Furthermore, it appears that you approved a book for publication in which he again reaffirms the moral teachings with which he has lived in integrity.
I am still scratching my head, asking what this controversy is really about. Considering what I’ve learned, it seems the entire scandal really boils down to your statement, “I do not trust Marc Gafni.” In my experience, trust in interpersonal relationships is dependent upon an array of gross, subtle, and causal dimensions and is always a two-way, co-responsible affair (actually it’s a Four Quadrant affair, but I digress). And yet I have seen nothing from you to acknowledge your own responsibility for any aspect of the controversy.
You have every right to publish whatever books you choose. But through your public statements you have gone beyond exercising editorial discretion into the realm of “accuser,” leveling public charges (some would say smears) against Marc that are enormously consequential, given your impeccable reputation for goodness of character.
According to Ken Wilber’s Foreword to Marc Gafni’s Your Unique Self, the book whose publication you have cancelled, Gafni’s teaching could very well be a seminal turning point in humankind’s understanding of Integral Enlightenment. I have learned that the book is the first of a series of ten books (including a potential collaboration with Ken Wilber) that might become one of the foundations for The Next Chapter of Integral, and an enduring source of light and wisdom so much needed in the world today.
If your remarks have contributed to a narrative of “scandalizing” Gafni to the point where people regard everything he says as suspect or somehow (bizarrely) that his teachings are now discredited, then we must take very seriously the possibility of permanent damage to the entire Integral movement and even the fate of the future course of humankind’s spiritual evolution.
I’m sure that I’ll be criticized by some for wildly exaggerating the harm, but I would rather err on the side of Spirit than the side of spinelessness. Spirit, in its own unpredictable and impenetrable ways, often works in history by selecting particular individuals to deliver seminal messages at precisely the right time and place. The messenger’s eminent humanity often poses an obstacle for some in recognizing and appreciating the pivotal moment.
Whatever else he might be, Dr. Marc Gafni is such a messenger. I can say with absolute certainty that his work is too important to be thrown aside over those sides to his “human, all too human” character which are difficult for us to accept. He deserves the respect to have his perspective taken into account and the questions raised by his version of events addressed with seriousness. He also deserves to be challenged on any aspect of his current behavior which falls short of his own high standards for himself and the standards of the communities he serves. Anything less is simply not Integral.
I am hopeful that our leadership will take the time to learn a more complete picture of your remarks that will be indispensable for evaluating their truth. [corrected] I hope they conduct a proper assessment of whether Marc Gafni has lived in integrity with his teachings and is capable of acting in the best interests of his students and professional alliances.
Therefore, I feel the public is owed a better understanding of the context in which you formed your judgment regarding Marc Gafni’s trustworthiness. I will say frankly that after talking with all the people that I have and reading what I have, I very much doubt a key element of your story, and the conclusion seems indisputable that your words were distorted by unacknowledged shadows that have not yet come into public light.
You have declined so far to speak with me. Accordingly, I’ve prepared a list of questions to ask publicly. Your candid answers to them will help me to broaden my perspective on your remarks concerning Marc Gafni. Will you please help me, my blog’s readers, the Integral community, and the world to know the truth?
Much love,
Joe Perez
Important Questions for Tami Simon
1. In the publishing world, it’s very common for publishers and authors to have disputes before a book is published. Unless there’s a lawsuit, almost nobody ever puts out so much as a press release. The deals just fall apart and the world never hears about them.
(a) It comes as a surprise to me that you have chosen to make a public statement on your decision not to publish Marc’s book or support him as a teacher. Why did you?
(b) I have learned that there is another prominent spirituality author whose media project you cancelled over ethical concerns; however, you made no public statement that I can find. This author, like Marc, has extensive negative claims made against him on the blogosphere. Indeed, he, unlike Marc, has seen entire books published by others devoted to making allegations about his ethics. On what grounds did you treat Marc’s case differently?
2. Why did you choose Bill Harryman’s Integral Options Café (IOC) as the venue for distributing your remarks? IOC frequently links to your blog at Sounds True, and Bill Harryman says he’s corresponded with you.
(a) I think it’s pretty obvious that Bill is on a mission to vilify a variety of spiritual teachers he believes to be abusive gurus including Marc Gafni. Do you agree with Bill’s vituperative statements that Marc is a “predator” and “perpetrator,” words that are used to describe rapists and other horrific criminals?
(b) Are you aware that Bill has admitted to intellectual property theft? It seems odd to me that a reputable publisher such as Sounds True whose business relies on intellectual property would choose such a questionable/ironic venue as IOC to make an announcement regarding the ethical standards of people you want to associate with. We’ve all made decisions we later regret. Is it possible this was not the best decision?
3. I have learned that there is an intermediary who has funneled information between you and Bill Harryman about the sexual relationships between Marc Gafni and two women, and that she is a former lover of Marc’s who may be the person most responsible for the active ongoing attempt to demonize Marc by spreading disproven or distorted rumors about him. I don’t want to go on a fishing expedition here, but one might wonder if something is being “shrouded in secrecy” (to use a phrase that you deployed against Marc Gafni).
(a) Were you the source of this intermediary’s knowledge of Marc’s sexual relationships with two women, and did you encourage her in any way to reveal the information to Bill Harryman?
(b) Will you name this person publicly, so that the public may learn what there is to know about her, evaluate whether she is credible, and thereby assess if there is anything to see here?
(c) Will you tell us what the nature of your relationship is with her?
(d) How did she influence your views of Marc Gafni’s trustworthiness in the days before you terminated your business relationship with him and made your remarks to IOC?
4. According to a statement made by Ken Wilber and Sally Kempton in 2007, there is an exhaustive study which establishes that the legal complaints made against Marc in Israel are false complaints and “without a shred of truth.”
(a) Have you read the study? If you haven’t read it, why not?
(b) If so, did you read it before or after terminating your professional relationship with Marc?
(c) Please tell us your opinion of the report.
5. In your remarks on IOC, you stated that a couple of years ago Marc Gafni told you that he was not going to be involved in sexual relationships with students, but are you aware that since 2007 he has posted an essay entitled “Sex, Ethics, and Injury” on marcgafni.com in which he argues that in some cases, albeit rare, consensual sex between a spiritual teacher and an adult student is morally acceptable; furthermore, he has never publicly repudiated these statements to this day. I have spoken to Marc and he has stated for the record what he remembers saying to you (in Los Angeles several months ago as you were taking a walk together) is a general remark that he would not create any sort of scandal.
(a) Is it possible you have mis-remembered the conversation with Marc or mis-understood him?
(b) If in fact Marc’s promise to you was to keep out of scandal, can you hold Marc entirely responsible for creating a “scandal,” (defined by Google’s dictionary as “an action or event regarded as morally or legally wrong and causing general public outrage”)? Marc, after all, was not the person responsible for communicating the matter to the public. By making your remarks to IOC, a website known for trafficking in gossip and scandal on spiritual teachers, it looks like you partially were.
6. You said that you appreciated the content and message of Your Unique Self, which until recently was to be published through Sounds True. I assume you have read the book.
(a) Did you notice that there is a footnote in which Marc once again defends the moral acceptability of teachers and students having intimate relations in rare cases? (see Appendix B, below)
(b) Did you talk to Marc about this part of the book? If not, why not?
(c) Can you appreciate how someone looking at your new charge that Marc broke his alleged promise to you alongside the context of Marc’s several public statements might be doubtful of the truth of your claim, or at the very least confused? Given the depths to which Marc is committed to his views and the frequency with which he has publicly repeated them over an extended period of time, I find it incredible that he would have made a private promise to you (i.e., never to sleep with a student) which is at odds with his many public claims about sexual ethics, and that you would not have noticed the discrepancy. If what you are saying about Marc’s alleged promise were true, it seems to me that you would have either pressed him to disavow his public statements or that you were unaware of Marc’s public statements all along. And if you were unaware of Marc’s public statements, might Marc reasonably have assumed that you knew about them (including what he wrote in the book you approved), and therefore he would naturally have had a different view on whatever agreement there might have been between the two of you?
7. In your remarks on IOC, you say, “[N]ew and incontrovertible information came to light that made me aware that Marc was involved in a sexual relationship with a student and that the relationship was shrouded in secrecy.” In fact, this relationship was with Marcy, who in the days following your remarks posted a lengthy reply on Integral Life saying in part:
“I am a fully empowered adult woman who has been working on behalf of what I want to bring into the world. In the natural course of doing so, I have stepped into many different roles and ways of relating, and done so in the most responsible way I know. One of these included for a time an intimate dynamic with Marc that expressed itself sexually. To suggest that this violated our student-teacher relationship, or that I was in any way victimized, is actually a degradation of the feminine, and of the masculine too.”
I have also spoken directly to Marcy who affirms that she trusts Marc implicitly and is horrified at the way their relationship was distorted in the blogosphere. My question is multi-part:
(a) You are presumably aware that Marcy is not only an adult student of Marc’s, but also aware that she is a Board Member of a non-profit organization for which Marc is a co-founder. You didn’t mention this fact in your IOC remarks. Is seems relevant to me that the relationship dynamics between Marc and Marcy were far more complex than a simple teacher/student power imbalance. Indeed, Marc has publicly argued that for a variety of reasons Marcy had more power in the relationship than he did, and I think maybe he’s got a point. Why did you choose to omit this important context?
(b) What is a “student” and what is a “teacher”? Am I a student of Marc Gafni’s because I heard his keynote and yours because I attended your workshop at Integral Spiritual Experience 2? Are readers of my books or blog my students because they learn things from me? Are life coaches and counselors “teachers” in relationship with their private clients or persons who attend their workshops or lectures? It’s difficult for me to know where to draw the line. As Marcy told me, if she had dinner with someone as part of her normal interaction with them in a variety of contexts, does that mean that she had an “eating relationship”? With these questions in mind, exactly how much of a student of Marc’s was Marcy, and did you bother to find out before making your allegations public?
(c) Did you speak with Marcy prior to making your remarks to IOC, and did you inform her that you would be bringing your allegations about her relationship with Marc public? If not, why not?
(d) Are you sorry that as a result of your IOC remarks you have forced Marcy against her desires to have her intimate relationship exposed through public remarks that will live forever on the Internet in the context of a sordid “sex scandal,” words which can never be erased? Have you apologized to Marcy? If not, do you want to do so now?
(e) Tell me about the phrase you have chosen to describe the relationship between Marc and Marcy: “shrouded in secrecy,” a phrase which has been repeated multiple times online by bloggers/commenters seeking to demonize Marc. What specifically does this phrase mean to you, apart from the fact that the adults involved wished to keep the relationship private?
8. In your remarks on IOC, you claim that a woman “often … witnessed Marc telling lies to cover his tracks.” Since you don’t mention any specific lies it’s hard for me to determine if there’s any truth to this comment, you know. There’s nothing to investigate, nothing that Marc can say in his defense. What I think is that despite our best intentions we all tell lies. All of us humans, anyways. One study says that men on average tell lies 42 times a week, and women about half that number.
(a) Say more about the ethical standard on honesty you are holding Marc Gafni to.
(b) Certainly if Marc was by mutual agreement holding a relationship in a private container it would require some degree of lies or evasions. Yet I wonder, is it really worthy of all the approbation that has come to him?
(c) Are there other authors who have been published by Sounds True who, to your knowledge, have told lies or who have had sexual/amorous relationships that you deemed improper? Did you terminate your business relationship with them?
(d) If tomorrow you were to learn that another Sounds True author told a lie or engaged in a sexual/amorous relationship that you deemed improper, would you terminate your professional relationship with him or her and promise to make a public remark on the topic just as you did in Marc Gafni’s case?
(e) Do you have a policy regarding the ethics of Sounds True authors? Can I read it?
Finally, and this one comes from my heart:
9. How can there be a healing of these fresh wounds between you and Marc? I have heard him say that he loves you and hopes that you will forgive him for mistakes he’s made and that he hopes you can accept his friendship. I know that he is reluctant to make a public apology so long as the stink of the recent toxic blog posts lingers in the air, but he wants healing so very much for everyone. Is there any chance you will forgive him? If you feel you share any responsibility at all for the enormous suffering he has been going through, or have compassion for the many tears he has shed, would you consider apologizing to him? What needs to happen for healing to take place now, and is there anything I can do in my capacity as a blogger or friend to help this process along?
Related posts on Awake, Alive & Aware
- UNIQUE LEAK: Ken Wilber to Address Marc Gafni Controversy (9/29/2011)
- Ongoing questions in the Marc Gafni controversy (9/28/2011)
- On the Marc Gafni controversy: Don’t assume you know more than you do! (9/25/2011)
- Exposed! On Bill Harryman’s exposé on Marc Gafni’s personal relationships (9/20/2011)
Appendix A: The Full Text of Tami Simon’s Remarks to Integral Options Café
Tami Simon via IOC:
When I first started working with Marc a couple of years ago, Marc and I spoke openly about his history and what he claimed were false accusations against him related to alleged sexual improprieties. Several influential people spoke up in his defense and equally several people warned me not to trust Marc. I came to believe that whatever had happened in the past, Marc was beginning a new chapter in his life. Marc explicitly stated to me that he was not going to be involved in sexual relationships with students, that even if he deemed such relationships to be consensual, he did not believe that engaging in relationships with students would support his efforts to be an effective teacher. In considering publishing Marc’s work, the most important thing to me was the actual quality of the written work. When he submitted “Your Unique Self” in its edited form, I appreciated the content and message of the book. The quality of the book combined with the force of his conviction regarding how he would conduct himself as a teacher moving forward convinced me to take a risk on publishing his work.
In the past several weeks, new and incontrovertible information came to light that made me aware that Marc was involved in a sexual relationship with a student and that the relationship was shrouded in secrecy. There was an obvious lack of alignment between Marc’s words to me and his actions. I learned about Marc’s sexual relationship with a student from another woman who was having a sexual relationship with Marc. This woman was also asked by Marc to keep her relationship with him a secret. In talking with this woman, I learned how emotionally damaging this secrecy was for her, how it cut her off from emotional support and connection. I also learned quite a bit about how she felt manipulated by Marc, about how often she witnessed Marc telling lies to cover his tracks, and how upset she was to find herself caught in such a web of lies.
Discovering this new information, it became clear to me that it was not in integrity for me personally or for Sounds True as a company to publish Marc’s books or to support him as a spiritual teacher in the world. I do not trust Marc Gafni. I do not trust what he says, and I do not trust that he acts in the best interests of his students or his professional alliances.
~ Tami Simon, Sounds True
Appendix B: Excerpt from Marc Gafni’s Your Unique Self (forthcoming) and Related Links
The following passage below is written by Marc Gafni in a book which Tami Simon approved for publication via Sounds True:
While sexual intimacy in the context of a dual relationship between teacher and student, when specific contexts and conditions are met, may well be appropriate and ethical it also involves a great deal of potential dangers. This point was well made by Ken Wilber in a recorded dialogue at the German Integrales forum in 2010, and has been made by numerous feminimst writers including bell hooks, Christina Hoff Sommers, Laura Kipnis, Daphne Patai and many others. I discuss this issue in my article, “Spiritually Incorrect, Sex Ethics and Injury,” see http://marcgafni.com and Integrales Magazine (forthcoming). As I, and all of the aforementioned writers point out, sexual intimacy between teacher and student may also potentially endanger both the teacher and the student. It requires a particularly evolved student and a particularly evolved teacher to successfully navigate this territory. In this sense, one might argue that if the Unique Self teaching is to be lived out in its entirety, it requires a particular kind of student and teacher whom are able to hold the complexities of dual or multiple relationships without falling into the classical egoic traps. This is rare, for all people are geniuses at self-deception. It is for this reason that I generally recommend not engaging sexual relations between the student and teacher. The exceptions to this rule are in the realm of the post-conventional, and therefore by definition need to be looked at individually and cannot be taught in public articles or teachings.
Other Links Related to Marc Gafni
- Privacy, Post Modernism, Sex, Teachers And Students: On Sex, Ethics And Injury By Marc Gafni (9/13/2011)
- “Spiritually Incorrect: Some Remarks on the Teacher-Student Relationship by Marc Gafni” (6/14/2011)
- “Integrity, Spiritual Teachers, and a School for Integral Spirituality,” a Position Paper by Integrales Forum. (6/13/2011)
Postscripts
In writing this post, I am extremely grateful for everyone I spoke to in the past week as well as my companion MT for his emotional support. Also, I would like to thank Bill Harryman for his courageous blog post which brought the entire matter into the light.
CORRECTION: This post omits a statement in the first draft which incorrectly stated the relationship between Tami Simon’s letter and Integral Life’s decision to distance itself from the Center for World Spirituality. Also, I have clarified that Robb Smith and I did not speak before this blog was first published, not that an interview request was declined.
Joe Perez is a Seattle-based writing professional and author of Soulfully Gay, the first autobiography in the Integral Spirituality tradition. His blog posts have been published on numerous Internet publications including Awake, Alive & Aware and +kenwilber.com, where he wrote, “What Good Religion Journalism Looks Like.” He is also a Career Management Coach and Principal of Writing Wolf.
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Thank you, Joe, for this analysis. This is very helpful. I study Sacred Sexuality and the integration of sexual and spiritual is not all pretty, pretty, pretty. Beauty never is.
You have the facts very wrong in blaming Tami Simon for Gafni’s problems. She canceled publication of his book, nothing more. And she did so because she only agreed to take him on as an author on the agreement that he would not be sleeping with students or involved in any more scandals – which he swore to her would not happen. And then it did. He lied to her and she chose not to be associated with someone who consistently acts in ways to derail his success and those associated with him. And she honestly answered my questions about the situation and allowed me to post them (I cannot speak for her motivations, but I suspect she allowed me to share her comments in order to avoid a whisper campaign about the reasons the book had been pulled, which had somehow already been leaked prior to my post).
Integral Life (and Robb Smith) had been in the process of ending its relationship with Gafni for a year, long before this latest situation with Gafni’s lies. Diane Hamilton had distanced herself from Gafni well before any of this happened. Tami Simon had nothing to do with Robb’s decision to break ties with Gafni. The schism in the integral world rests solely on Gafni’s actions, not on anything Tami Simon did – and it’s sad you would allow Gafni to persuade you to post such a reckless attack on her character.
And for the record, the letter in support of Gafni attributed to Ken Wilber and Sally Kempton was written by Kempton and Gafni, not Wilber, he only allowed them to use his name. The same is true for the letter attributed to Robb Smith and Ken Wilber. I suspect Smith would prefer that letter be removed. But Gafni persuaded Wilber to add his name to it. If you will recall, that “letter” was originally a post at Integral Life written by Smith (http://bit.ly/qKBaEO). Gafni has “reframed” it to look different than its original intention.
I know you are an intelligent and, I believe, compassionate man (despite the many and varied personal attacks you have made on me), so I am saddened to see you fall under Ganfi’s seductions. The issue has always been Gafni’s need for power and control, and the ways he goes about it. You seemed to see it clearly in some of what you have written above, but then you ignore your own observations to make claims for Gafni that sound hollow. How can a teacher on Unique Self be believed when he, as you rightly say, cannot even be trusted to stand in his own unique self without resorting to “distortions and evasions”?
Further, you have (I think) unwittingly become Gafni’s pawn in his usual format of attack when he is caught up in one of his repeated abuses of power and position – he attacks the character of those who have called him out on his actions – in this case he has you attacking Tami Simon on his behalf, as well as intensifying the attacks you have already made on my character.
He read you perfectly. He saw in you a desire for position as the premier integral blog, which in his mind, and apparently yours, requires taking me and IOC down. He played you. He made me the enemy and then, by extension and association, made Tami Simon your target as well. This is his usual method – obscure the facts by attacking the messengers.
And finally, on a personal note, thanking me for the “courageous blog post which brought the entire matter into the light,” while you have done nothing but attack me and malign my character, is more than a little disingenuous. And for the record, intellectual property “theft” requires that I use material without attribution, which has never happened. I know you were running that attack long before Gafni got to you (and I suspect one of your own readers was spot on when he suggested it was part of your effort to be the #1, go-to integral blog, which requires discrediting me and IOC), but since then you seem to really be attached to that one method discrediting me. But you purposely use the most inflammatory language you can find to totally misrepresent the truth.
I’m saddened to see you on the wrong side of this story.
bill, i’ve replied to you privately.
to my readers: don’t believe everything you read. i know you’re smart enough that i don’t have to say more at this time…
bill, by the way thank you for your kind remarks about my companion’s loss.
um, i don’t think there’s any persuading you, bill. i wish there was. maybe having a beer together could get us somewhere, and be more fun than cyber-war.
short answer: take every single thing you said that i said, and my reply is, “but i never said that! i never meant that! read my words closely. draw supporting evidence from the text & don’t paraphrase something i said in a way that makes it mean close to its opposite.”
extra credit points if you take every single thing you said and actually back it up with evidence instead of assertions cherry-picked to fit your ideology-based, value structure-driven narrative.
so do that, and then i’ll write a longer reply
as for the “joe v. bill” narrative, you are totally correct that i have high ambitions for my writing, including the blog. one of the hats i wear is that i’m a career coach. i help people to define their goals, so i set goals for myself. that said, not to worry, i don’t consider you “the competition.”
all the best,
joe
Dear Joe,
I respect your wish “not taking sides in a “Blog War.”” but you clearly now work close with the side of Marc Gafni and seem to be in in a “Blog War.” Gafni image has a problem, some abuse it but some see it, no one has 100% error and each of us can use the advise too seek the whole picture and decide his position. ( Yes, I think Gafni has a problem in his internal system and his relationships not only his in external image. this is just my opinion base on my reaserch and experience, I am much like you wish to serve the good knowladge, just clearly less tallented)
People who rejected Gafni as Tami Simon and many others did not do it because they wish “internet attack” or personal gain. We can see that their rejection wake many 1st tier Red to MGM’s seeking to fray a dragon as Gafni for Envi of his talent or other reasons. We can see that some people, as you, able to see it differently yet agreed fact is that other people who know Gafni and workde with him reacted to him publically. I think they rejected him not because of he sexually abused them, my understanding is that they experienced something and responsibility acted on it. This is what we shoud expect I think from Tami and others to share their bells and enable us to use our wisdom and judgment and not keep it is a secret sanga protecting its purity image.
I am sending you privetly a list of names of people who know Gafni, as a researcher I would suggest to you to ask Gafni of his relation with them and then ask them about Gafni. Please keep the list private (as you do with other infromation, I did not asked these people to be involved some may wish not to response). Tell us what you found. I am sure that some of them will not seek public statments but I am sure you will be wiser after that.
The Gafni case is not simple nor it is Evil vs. Saint. It is not about sex nor about personal issues of Gafni. It is about being able to evaluate “teacher” qualities within evolutionary emergant young field of 2nd teir meaning. Gafni Rule and actions can teach us much, but the dedication and the way you present his case may hide the complexity, while you go after Tami Simon you are hiding of Gafni’s own responsibility for the situation he is in.
I am sorry for my english, I hope I am clear enough.
hi neri: your post deserves a fuller response which i can’t offer today, but thank you for your perspective. i don’t agree that i am at all “hiding of gafni’s own responsibility.” remember this is just one blog post. there’s plenty of time for other perspectives to be shared by me & others
[adding: as for saying that i'm going after tami, remember it was she who refused the interview request, and shares in the responsibility for every one of these questions needing to be asked in the way that it was. i have no regrets whatsoever about asking tami to own up to a shred of responsibility, which she has yet to do publicly in any way.]
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I guess I understand why Marc would be reluctant to have this published, for the same reason that many people who support Marc are not speaking out. To be polyamorous is risky, and Marc has been trying to keep it secret, as he has said he thinks it should be and as many women prefer, for various reasons. It’s risky at Integral not because we are moral police (though some of us are) but because it is a scary topic. Sex in general is scary for most people—attractive and alarming both–and if the sexual past of all of us—not just those who act on sexual interest but those who repress it or manage to keep it all private—was all on the table, Marc would not look very unusual. He really would not. If the sexual history and the “telling the truth” history of everyone was on the table it would be an interesting document. But it’s very risky to say that—risky as a therapist, as a teacher, as a blogger. A published history of our past relationships, written by our past lovers, would probably be embarrassing to every single one of us, except those who never risked anything.
If Joe is “going after” Tami, it is in the context of people having gone after Marc (not Tami necessarily—I am not sure if she intended what has happened or not, but looks like it simply got out of her hands). I go back to the Eric Berne triangle—if you are a rescuer, a persecutor, or a victim, you end up being all three. But in fact I don’t think Joe is going after Tami—there are important questions here about how this was handled and what the underlying issues are, most of which have occurred to me and to a lot of people who don’t want to be harassed personally or professionally by Harryman. How can this ever get talked out in this climate, where everything supportive of Marc is immediately vilified as venom, and no venom on the other side is ever owned? Will Bill acknowledge his own venom, so obvious to so many? I don’t know—he would have to see it first, and he doesn’t appear to be looking. So it’s hard to enter into the vulnerable place that we all have about our own sexuality, Bill and Tami no doubt included, when your dialogue partner is just waiting to slug you.
An interesting question is why women get into relationships with Marc. He obviously loves sex and probably is pretty good at it. Could women (and men)admit that this is sometimes appealing? Could men (and women) admit their fear of where this could lead them? Could we give each other a break and admit that having consensual sex with someone is not really a problem that those of us outside the relationship have to solve? It may create problems, but they aren’t our problems. And if he/she regrets it later, or the partner turns out to have pretty clay feet or moves on without you, well…that’s part of the deal a lot of times. Nonconsensual sex is obviously very, very different, but no one suggests that here.
I hold out the hope that this could all be worked out somehow….but it will take big hearts.
KWIlson,
Thank you for you reaction! I also do hold the hope that this could all be really worked out somehow…. And I don’t know if it can in the blogs, but this is certainly a step in a constructive direction.
Hi Joe,
A heartfelt thanks for this post. I’m a little rummy after a long day with clients, but wanted to post my deep appreciation for what you’ve done here, for several reasons. The most limited and personal is that I love Marc and his teachings, and hate to see him get run through the meat grinder the way he has, as I would hate to see any loved one abused.
Then up a scale, I think you’ve substantially, and perhaps irreversibly, up-leveled (I think that’s a nerd term) the discourse both on this particular situation, and as far as I can tell, in the Integral community in general. You’ve offered a nuanced, multi-quadrant perspective (I think you left out neurobiology, but were otherwise pretty comprehensive), involving both the objective facts and your subjective perspective, and then engaged a confrontation of the statement-without-context problem (Marc uses the term, “context lie”) as exhibited by many like Tami Simon (and Bill Harryman) that is both loving, compassionate, data driven, and in-your-face. It seems to me that all this is a huge example, totally aside from the content, of what Integral discourse around community (and other) conflict should look like.
Also, at this scale, it seems to me you have offered permanent (and the internet’s looking pretty permanent) contrast to the debased discourse that has gone on these last weeks, most notably (but not exclusively) on Harryman’s blog. You force out into the public eye those, like Simon and Robb Smith (and John Dupuy by implication), who have pissed on the hedges and then, presumably, assumed they wouldn’t have to explain themselves for their behavior and logic. They may have very important things to say to defend their position–now let’s hear them say them openly and directly, in the eye of the community and broader public. Your open letter is going to be very hard to dodge. Harryman tries in his anemic comment on this post, and doesn’t seem to realize–something both sad and instructive–that he’s tieing the knots in his own noose. You may be right that over a beer there may be human contact with him, but I think his service to this debate is that he is clearly, and distinctly, serving as exemplar of a Green victim-victimizer narrative, which is hard pressed to stand in integrity (to the non-zealot) next to an Integrally informed communication like your own. There’s no point in thinking that anyone so committed to his position will listen when you present or ask for evidence–as he and his Attaboy Squad have amply demonstrated–but the unavoidable contrast between the toxic Green and the Integral stances will help, seems to me, to make them distinct enough that future readers and researches won’t be so confused about which is which, in general and specific to Marc.
Which points to what seems to me the most significant level of all this (and of my appreciation for your post), and which you touch on when you suggest the game-changing quality of Marc’s teachings: it would be a high crime if his work was submerged under all this current bull shit. Wilber has pointed out many times the structural reality that cultures pull members up to their center of gravity, and pull down those who try to move beyond that center, and I have not seen his detractors at pains in trying to make this distinction between the speaker and the speech. There’s something mundanely ugly about this phenomenon, and about the cluelessness of his “Marc-as-predator” detractors that there’s no difference between the two, and therefore, conveniently, smearing the message for the messenger. I think your post is part of what’s going to keep this from occlusion of his teaching from happening, which beyond the value I cited above, has a deep value in the defense of the potential that Marc’s teaching has in really making life better for people, in big, profound, and visceral ways. Not because of Marc per se, anymore than (on a good day) the value of my clinical work is rooted in my Marty-ness. Rather, as my wife said elsewhere, the “God-having-a-Marc-experience” is very potent and powerful in what it wants the Frail-vessel-Marc to be doing and saying, and to try to fuck up that communication by conflating the man (who, to be clear, doesn’t have a lot to apologize for in my estimation) with the message is to be committing a pretty profound crime. And I can only hope those doing it are motivated by confusion and not malice.
So for all those reasons, Joe, a really deep and heartfelt appreciation. Props, as the kids would say.
Much love,
MartyC
Hi Joe
You have obviously done lots of research and put the effort in to make contact with and have discussions with those more directly involved – I appreciate all those efforts. Having put this effort in, it seems you have access to more info than most. So, can I ask you three questions which I hope it is safe and appropriate for you to answer if you have the info, and which for me are pertinent to the whole scenario:
1. Was Marc in relationship with both women over the same period of time?
2. If so, did he make efforts to “maintain the privacy container” by ensuring neither of them knew about the other relationship?
3. Did he also make efforts to “maintain the privacy container” be ensuring other people did not know about the relationships, e.g. Mariana, Sally, Robb …?
4. Do you know why, to quote Robb, at Integral Life, “we have for the past year been separating our activities from those of Marc.” What do you think Robb means when he says “long ago it became clear to us that we moved through the world in very different ways.”
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A few other observations…..
You said: “Soon Integral Life, one of Marc’s most high-profile partnerships, distanced itself from him, citing Tami’s letter as a major factor.” If by “Integral Life distancing itself” you mean Robb Smiths’ letter “Where I Stand”, then I cannot share your interpretation at all, because what Robb actually said was:
“I found out about Bill Harryman’s allegations against Marc Gafni about 3 weeks ago. Though I was surprised that, like those of 5 years ago, they involved the intersection of sex and manipulation, at Integral Life we have for the past year been separating our activities from those of Marc. Our separation over the past year obviously did not derive from this recent scandal; long ago it became clear to us that we moved through the world in very different ways. Integral Life and Integral Institute have discontinued support of Center for World Spirituality and almost a year ago we decided to make ISE 3 our last year as a partnership with I-Evolve.”
So, they had already started the proces of separation and, to reiterate a key sentence, Robb specifically says: “Our separation over the past year obviously did not derive from this recent scandal” Was there some other statement from IL which said differently?
Also, regarding so-called copyright infringements by Bill Harryman, I’m not an expert in this area, but could you please point out the legal or copyright-related difference between what Bill does on his blog in terms of inclusion of content from other sources, and what you are doing for example in your interesting Poetry & Art section on architecture? For example, did you obtain specific permission from Vernon Collis and Anna Cowen or Raoul Eshelman to include fairly large paragraphs of their work?
Thanks again
James Barrow
UK
james,
on whether tami’s letter contributed to the separation of il and marc in the way is said, i goofed. i mis-remembered robb’s letter & owing to logistics he & i didn’t touch base until after the blog post. i will correct the error in a future correction; until then let this sentence stand as the correction. (what i intended to say, which isn’t what i said, is that the harryman post was the trigger for simmering tensions that had been brewing for quite some time). i’m aware of various versions of this longstanding tension & still doing research & waiting for ken’s statement before saying more
i’m going to hold off on replying to the rest for two reasons: (1) i don’t want to step all over anyone ELSE who wants to respond with their own comment, and (2) i am going to blog again with answers to the most important questions that come from the comment boxes combined
Thanks for the quick reply Joe. I completely understand your reasons for holding off for a bit.
James